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« poslato: 06.05.2014 09:03:45 »
Nesto razmisljam i - nemamo "sta sam citao/gledao" post za stripove, pa hajde da krenemo. Ako neko ima neku preporuku, neka je napise - makar i bilo nesto sto svi znamo, lepo je podsetiti se.

Ja cu zapoceti listu sa sjajnim Dreams: Coraline i Dreams: Celia (Songes: Coraline i Songes: Celia u originalu) - u kom je Terry Dodson bukvalno RASTURIO sa artom.

Steampunk, magija i (blaga) erotika - sve na jednom mestu. Strip je jedan od vizualno najlepsih ostvarenja koje sam citao.

Prvi broj je izasao i na engleskom, a za drugi ne znam da li ima scanlation (ja sam narucio fr verziju preko Amazona, cisto da imam :)






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« Odgovor #1 poslato: 06.05.2014 10:42:06 »
Ja slabo citam stripove (niti ih nesto volim), ali sam citao ovo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabarons i prilicno mi se svidelo.

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« Odgovor #2 poslato: 06.05.2014 11:16:20 »
Francuzi


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EKHO IS EARTH’S MIRROR WORLD. We find our cities and our countries, only different: electricity doesn’t exist, dragons replace airliners, subway cars run on the backs of strange centipedes... But the most amazing are THE PRESHAUNS who, under an air of formal fluff, seem to hold the reins of the world.
A student, Fourmille, and Yuri, in the neighbouring seat of a 747 bound for NEW YORK, find themselves propelled toEKHO and must learn to find their place in this new world. This becomes more complicated when Fourmille finds herself inhabited by the ghost of her dead aunt...


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In the summer of 1946 the war still rages in Europe after the surprise failure of the Normandy landings. Strange, revolutionary jets nicknamed WUNDERWAFFEN now defend Germany and the Allies race to halt what has become an aerial slaughter.
Hauptmann Walter Murnau, a talented pilot and man of honour, is personally decorated by Hitler and dubbed “The Devil’s Pilot”, instantly becoming a propaganda icon for the Nazi regime. In a future where the bad is about to get worse, “The Devil’s Pilot” will learn that hell is never that far away...


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Centuries after an ecological catastrophe drained the oceans and gave birth to mutant chimeras, humanity has regressed to a primitive state and only a few tribes remain. Among them, in the horde of Thôz, lives a unique child with black skin, rejected by his own. When the tribe’s elder announces his departure for Santiago de Cuba, the domain of the ancient Gods, the child’s fate is sealed: the outcast will be put to death upon the Elder’s return. But the elder doesn’t return... So the Black Child resolves to go looking for him, far from suspecting that his journey will uncover the remains of twentieth century civilisation...



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2070, On assignment for the European Navy, Dakota goes to destroy a gigantic iceberg which is floating into one of the most important sea routes. Dakota discovers that there is a mysterious box in the ice. The contents of the box are so extraordinary and shocking that the supreme command declares it a state secret.

Belgijanski izdavac Daedalus i njihova cuvena 1800 kolekcija (sve se desava izmedju 1800 i 1899. :) )



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THEY WILL OPEN A DOOR THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN KEPT LOCKED...
May 1871, the Commune of Paris is suppressed in a blood bath. Captain Nemo, whom everyone thought was dead, saves Prof. Aronnax and journalist Amelie Dupin from this chaos at the last second. All three of them leave, at the controls of a new Nautilus, looking for a mysterious cargo off the coast of Cuba.



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May 1891.
Sherlock Holmes perished while confronting Moriarty. At least, that’s what the press claims. However, Holmes is well and alive and plans on taking advantage of his presumed death to roam the world. That’s when the detective’s darkest investigation begins, which he must resolve as soon as possible, or else the lives of those close to him could be in danger… Not to mention his own.



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OSCAR WILDE’S FAMOUS CHARACTER MAKES HIS ENTRANCE IN THE 1800 COLLECTION
Dorian Gray has become a hideous old man. Only his portrait, that he preciously holds onto, reminds him that he was once a young man with supernatural beauty. The young Phillis will however look at him with compassion, without judgement. Dorian is won over. To seduce her, he must return to what he was. But to regain his youth, he will have to kill someone whose soul is even darker than his…



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THE ORIGINS OF EVIL...
June 1899, Venice. Bloody crimes have been shaking up the city for a few weeks now. The victims’ bodies are found completely emptied of their blood. Medium Letizia Giordano, Arthur Conan Doyle’s niece can’t solve this case herself, therefore she decided to go to London to see her uncle. They know his identity: Vlad Tepes, better known as Dracula.



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London 1888. The Harm comes down on the European capital, a bloodthirsty monster kills and cuts up prostitutes in the slums of Whitechapel, he is nicknamed “Jack the Ripper”.
At Scotland Yard, inspector Frederick Abberline and his team lead the investigation. But when faced with the complexity of this investigation, the inspector gets lost and the strange attitude he adopts raises the suspicion of George Godley, his assistant. Worrying coincidences lead him to think that Abberline may be linked to all these murders…



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THE MEETING BETWEEN TWO LITERARY MYTHS : HERMANN MELVILLE AND H.P. LOVECRAFT ! Ishmae?l is a young sailor who dreams of adventure. One night, he is told the story of captain Achab and his hunt for the sea giant... the Kraken. Rare are those who have survived the Kraken but one sailor among those kept a mysterious book and the knowledge of impious prayers who, once uttered, make the monster appear suddenly...
Sto se Americkog stripa tice:


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Everything you thought you knew about magic will... Vanish. Journey into a world where the lines between magic and reality are blurred... And where one man will soon find himself as the last remaining hope for all mankind. In Las Vegas, luck is everything.
For Sin City's leading 'entertainer,' Hank the Magnificent, his luck as Vegas' most illustrious and famous magician is about to run out! When the powers of an ancient magic once imprisoned in another realm spring forth into our reality searching for revenge at all costs, Hank soon finds himself at the center of an undying war between the forces of truth and a devastating plague of growing evil-and his hopes for survival are slim at best!



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E, ako nam treba sinopsis za ovu legendu, onda jbg.  :D




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The year is 1934, a time of two-fisted swashbuckling, of fearsome threats and wild adventure-and of ever-growing threats on the horizon. Three valiant humans -- Flash Gordon, Dale Arden and Dr. Hans Zarkov -- are plucked from the Earth, traveling to the distant planet Mongo.




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Throughout the ages, the gods of the Marvel Universe have been vanishing, their mortal worshippers left in chaos. The Mighty Thor follows a trail of blood that threatens to consume his past, present and future selves. The only hope for these ravaged worlds lies with the God of Thunder unraveling the gruesome mystery of the God Butcher!



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The Illuminati (a group consisting of Tony Stark, Reed Richards, Black Bolt, Namor, and Dr. Stephen Strange only – Charles Xavier was absent) meet to discuss the recent destruction of Hulk and how to deal with him. The decision to deposit Hulk on a peaceful uninhabited planet is interrupted by a wormhole, placing the savage Hulk on the violent planet Sakaar.

The green skinned warrior quickly bonds with others like him in a gladiator arena, as well as creates an enemy of Red King. Through his conflicts and troubles Hulk unites a planet by killing the tyrant king, while finding a kindred spirit and falls in love with the warrior Caiera.

Dosta za sada.  :D
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« Odgovor #3 poslato: 06.05.2014 12:52:54 »
The Star Wars
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Before Star Wars, there was The Star Wars! This is the authorized adaptation of George Lucas’s rough-draft screenplay of what would eventually become a motion picture that would change the world.

Annikin Starkiller is the hero . . . Luke Skywalker is a wizened Jedi general . . . Han Solo is a big green lizard . . . and the Sith . . . Well, the Sith are still the bad guys. High adventure and derring-do from longer ago, in a galaxy further away!

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« Odgovor #4 poslato: 06.05.2014 17:25:56 »
Evo ja cu neku klasiku sto bi se reklo:

Sandman - za mene neprevazidjen



Incal - Hodorovski i Mobijus



Od ludog dedica jos:

Metabarons



The Technopriests



Eto to mi je prvo palo na pamet. Da napomenem da meni crtez nije presudan uospte da li ce mi se svideti strip. Gradjenje sveta, price i likova jeste.
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die." Roy Batty, Blade Runner

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« Odgovor #5 poslato: 06.05.2014 18:26:59 »
Da napomenem da meni crtez nije presudan uospte da li ce mi se svideti strip. Gradjenje sveta, price i likova jeste.

To je ok, zato sam i ja procitao Aldebaran i Betelgeuse u dahu, jer je prica fantasticna. Crtez...not so much.
Da se razumemo, ima i suprotnih slucajeva. Ima gomila primera u evropskom stripu gde je artwork fenomenalan, a prica osrednja u najmanju ruku.
Sjajan primer fenomenalnog artworka i storytellinga je po meni Charismagic:




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« Odgovor #6 poslato: 06.05.2014 21:33:03 »
Setih se jos jednog pricno poznatog:

Les Cités obscures



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« Odgovor #7 poslato: 07.05.2014 09:57:09 »
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Marvels is a four-issue limited series comic book written by Kurt Busiek, painted by Alex Ross and edited by Marcus McLaurin, and published by Marvel Comics in 1994.

Set from 1939 to 1974, the series examines the Marvel Universe, the collective setting of most of Marvel's superhero series, from the perspective of an Everyman character: news photographer Phil Sheldon. The street-level series portrayed ordinary life in a world full of costumed supermen, with each issue featuring events well known to readers of Marvel comics as well as a variety of minute details and retelling the most famous events in the Marvel universe.

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The Umbrella Academy is a comic book series created and written by Gerard Way and illustrated by Gabriel Bá. The first six-issue limited series, The Umbrella Academy: Apocalypse Suite, was released by Dark Horse Comics, the first issue making its premiere on September 19, 2007. It won the 2008 Eisner Award for Best Finite Series/Limited Series. A second series, The Umbrella Academy: Dallas, followed in 2008. The Umbrella Academy: Hotel Oblivion, and a proposed fourth series, are in development.
Vec sam negde pominjao, ali ne škodi:Blacksad
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Rendered in a film noir style, the stories are set in late 1950s America. All of the characters are anthropomorphic animals whose species reflects their personality, character type and role in the story. Animal stereotypes are often used: for example, nearly all of the policemen are canids, such as German Shepherds, Bloodhounds, and foxes, while underworld characters are often reptiles or amphibians. Female characters are often much more human looking than their male counterparts, especially those filling the role of love interest to more important characters.

The strip attempts at recreating a dirty-realist outlook and a dark cinematic style through fairly clean, realistic lines. Very detailed watercolor drawings, including real-life places and cities, also contribute to the realistic feel of the series, despite the fact that characters are animals. The style of drawing has evolved throughout the series, with later issues displaying sharper, higher-quality colour and fewer grainy lines.
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« Odgovor #9 poslato: 07.05.2014 21:14:16 »
Da napomenem da meni crtez nije presudan uospte da li ce mi se svideti strip. Gradjenje sveta, price i likova jeste.

Znam dosta ljudi koji kazu da im crtez nije jako bitan u stripu - i nisam siguran da razumem ovaj stav. Iskreno, bez neke zelje za raspravom, voleo bih da izrazim svoje misljenje. Prica svakako moze da se izgradi i samo recima - likovi, gradjenje sveta, itd. - nisu potrebni dobri crtezi da bi se ovakve stvari realizovale. To zovemo: knjige.

Medjutim, strip je nesto drugo. Crtez je integralni sastav stripa. Reci da crtez nije presudan je reci kao da rezija nije presudna za film sa dobrim scenariom.

Mogu donekle da se slozim da tehnicki kvalitet crteza ne mora da bude presudan - ako je dizajn stranice i vizualni storytelling dobar. Ali to ne znaci da i sam crtez nije vazan - samo da mozda u tom nekom tehnickom smislu moze da bude i nesto slabiji.

Naravno da vazi i obrnuto: sjajan crtez a losa prica cine los strip. Iako uzivam u svemu sto Madureira crta, recimo, vecina stripova koje radi mi se uopste ne dopadaju kao stripovi, vise kao galerija radova sjajnog ilustratora.

Ali jednostavno ne mogu da prihvatim da crtez za strip nije vazan. Crtez nije propratna stvar u stripu: on je nosilac medijuma. On je sastavni i fundamentalni deo stripa.

Eto, tako ja to vidim. Jos jednom - prica i likovi - to je zaplet i scenario. Crtez je rezija. I prosecan scenario nekada moze fantasticno da se isprica odlicnim crtezom.

Drago mi je da je Kravinoff pomenuo Blacksada: odlican primer sjajne price i fenomenalnog crteza. Ne samo sto su ilustracije tehnicki odlicne, prenose karakter likova i atmosferu fantasticno. Blacksad ne bi bio ono sto jeste - uz sve kvalitete svog scenarija i likova - da nema Guarnidovog neverovatnog crteza.

Eto, morao sam to da kazem :)




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« Odgovor #10 poslato: 08.05.2014 18:30:56 »
Ivane, da mislio sam na "tehnicki kvalitet crteza" :) Ne na stil.
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« Odgovor #11 poslato: 08.05.2014 18:43:12 »
Ivane, da mislio sam na "tehnicki kvalitet crteza" :) Ne na stil.

Ajd da ne ispadne da ja kotriram tebi, ali meni stvarno smeta "Čiča Gliša" stil crtanja. Pa nek je priča ne znam kakva.
Sto rece Ivan, meni takodje prija Madureirin crtez.
Humberto Ramos ima slican stil:

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« Odgovor #12 poslato: 08.05.2014 19:21:42 »
Aco, ako ti se svidja Ramos, pogledaj stripove od njegovog "mentora", (nazalost pokojnog) Carlosa Meglie (recimo, Canari) i Francisco Herrere, koji mu je prijatelj i slicno radi. Sva trojica imaju taj prepoznatljiv, iscaseni stil.



Ivane, da mislio sam na "tehnicki kvalitet crteza" :) Ne na stil.

Onda se slazemo - mada, ja toliko volim crtez da mogu da oprostim i losiju radnju :)
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« Odgovor #13 poslato: 08.05.2014 19:32:14 »
Ivane, daj neki link, ne mogu nista da nadjem. Da, svidja mi se. :)

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« Odgovor #14 poslato: 08.05.2014 21:56:12 »
Ivane, daj neki link, ne mogu nista da nadjem. Da, svidja mi se. :)

Tja, ne mogu ni ja - ja sam Canari kupio (as in printed) - a drugi broj imam samo delimicno iz preview-a iz francuskog casopisa za stripove. Nazalost, to je to - izgleda.

Pokusaj da nadjes Superman: Infinite City - to ima tu i tamo, imao sam nekad (ne mogu da nadjem cbr) i sigurno ima da se iskopa negde. To je isto jedno od boljih Carlosovih dela.

Nazalost, izgleda da se teze sve to nalazi nego sto sam mislio. Izvini :(
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